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      <journal-meta>
         <journal-id journal-id-type="DOAJ">15041611</journal-id>
         <journal-title-group>
            <journal-title>Voices: A World Forum for Music Therapy</journal-title>
         </journal-title-group>
         <issn>1504-1611</issn>
         <publisher>
            <publisher-name>GAMUT - Grieg Academy Music Therapy Research Centre (NORCE &amp;
               University of Bergen)</publisher-name>
         </publisher>
      </journal-meta>
      <article-meta>
         <article-id pub-id-type="doi">10.15845/voices.v22i1.2635</article-id>
         <article-categories>
            <subj-group subj-group-type="heading">
               <subject>Reflections on Practice</subject>
            </subj-group>
         </article-categories>
         <title-group>
            <article-title>Being Together in Music</article-title>
            <subtitle>Thoughts From a Philosophy Cafe Dialogue</subtitle>
         </title-group>
         <contrib-group>
            <contrib contrib-type="author">
               <name>
                  <surname>Miyake</surname>
                  <given-names>Hiroko</given-names>
               </name>
               <xref ref-type="aff" rid="H_"/>
               <address>
                  <email>hirokomiyake0805@gmail.com</email>
               </address>
            </contrib>
         </contrib-group>
         <aff id="H_"><label>1</label>Department of Music Cultures &amp; Education,
            Kunitachi College of Music, Japan </aff>
         <contrib-group>
            <contrib contrib-type="editor">
               <name>
                  <surname>Ikuno</surname>
                  <given-names>Rika</given-names>
               </name>
            </contrib>
         </contrib-group>
         <contrib-group>
            <contrib contrib-type="reviewer">
               <name>
                  <surname>Wood</surname>
                  <given-names>Stuart</given-names>
               </name>
            </contrib>
            <contrib contrib-type="reviewer">
               <name>
                  <surname>Murphy</surname>
                  <given-names>Melissa</given-names>
               </name> 
            </contrib>
            <contrib contrib-type="reviewer">
               <name>
                  <surname>Krüger</surname>
                  <given-names>Viggo</given-names>
               </name> 
            </contrib>
         </contrib-group>
         <pub-date pub-type="pub">
            <day>1</day>
            <month>3</month>
            <year>2022</year>
         </pub-date>
         <volume>22</volume>
         <issue>1</issue>
         <history>
            <date date-type="received">
               <day>20</day>
               <month>12</month>
               <year>2018</year>
            </date>
            <date date-type="accepted">
               <day>4</day>
               <month>11</month>
               <year>2021</year>
            </date>
         </history>
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            <copyright-statement>Copyright: 2022 The Author(s)</copyright-statement>
            <copyright-year>2022</copyright-year>
            <license license-type="open-access"
               xlink:href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/">
               <license-p>This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the
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                  unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the
                  original work is properly cited.</license-p>
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         </permissions>
         <self-uri xlink:href="https://voices.no/index.php/voices/article/view/2635"
            >https://dx.doi.org/10.15845/voices.v22i1.2635</self-uri>
         <abstract>
            <p>In this paper shares and discusses questions that arose from music therapy sessions
               with an adolescent with severe multiple disabilities, with people not directly
               involved in the case. In the early sessions with this client, I wondered, “How can I
               make music with this client?” I intuitively felt that this question was not confined
               to the dyadic relationship between the client and myself as therapist, but was
               connected to the larger social structure and the various values and relationships
               within it. To share this question with those not directly involved in the case, I
               organized a small dialogue event using the Philosophy Cafe method. Through this,
               participants got a taste of each other's differing views and discovered new
               viewpoints together, thus enabling them to create a shared image of the word. This
               could serve as an example of how clinical music therapy practice can connect with the
               community surrounding it, and open up the case to society. Such dialogue also enables
               careful examination of the words and concepts used in the field of music therapy.
               This could lead to a review of the use of these words and concepts which had been
               developed from a modern, Western-centric perspective. </p>
         </abstract>
         <kwd-group kwd-group-type="author-generated">
            <kwd>dialogue</kwd>
            <kwd>philosophy cafe</kwd>
            <kwd>culture and language</kwd>
         </kwd-group>
      </article-meta>
      <notes><p>In publishing this article at the time of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, I would like to say this: I hope that we will be together through dialogue, not war.</p></notes>
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         <title>Introduction</title>
         <p>This paper is part of an ongoing case study covering seven years of individual music
            therapy sessions with an adolescent with severe multiple disabilities. In disclosing
            this article, consideration was given to the protection of personal information and
            privacy of the client, and consent was obtained from the client's family. In addition,
            this paper was written in such a way that individual participants in the dialogue could
            not be identified. In the early sessions, I wondered, “How can I make music with this
            client?” As I examined the clinical process in detail, I began to realize that my
            concern was connected to a more universal question: "What does it mean for a client and
            a therapist, each with different backgrounds and values, to make music together?” In
            retrospect, I intuitively felt that this question should not remain between the client
            and myself. This is because the relationship between client and therapist is not simply
            confined to a dyadic interaction, but is linked to various relationships and values held
            within the larger social structure. I wanted to share this question with people who were
            not directly involved in the case, so I organized a small-scale, dialogue event.</p>
         <p>This paper will consider the significance of sharing questions generated from practice
            with people who are not directly involved in the case. The structure of this paper is as
            follows. In section 1, an outline of the case and how I came up with the question is
            given. In section 2, the style of dialogue used in this event, the Philosophy Cafe, is
            outlined. Section 3 comprises a detailed description of how the dialogue progressed
            during the event. Section 4 reflects on the findings of this attempt and considers their
            significance. Finally, I touch on how such a dialogue attempt could contribute to the
            music therapy field.</p>
      </sec>
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         <title>1. Brief Case Overview<sup><xref ref-type="fn" rid="ftn1">1</xref></sup> and my Initial Questions </title>
         <p>The client (Cl.) is an adolescent with visual impairment, and both intellectual and
            physical disabilities. When Cl. was five years old, the present co-therapist (Co.) began private music therapy sessions, and I took over as the main therapist when he was
            twelve years old. Since then, we have held music therapy sessions once every other week
            for seven years until he graduated from a special needs school. The sessions included
            singing and improvisation activities, and followed a client-centered and
            resource-oriented approach that encouraged Cl. to follow his own developmental path. </p>
         <p>In the early days of the sessions, I asked myself, “How can I make music with him?”
            At that time, Cl. had a certain repertoire of songs for children at play and popular
            songs for young people, which he had developed over about seven years with his previous
            music therapist. He sang these songs each time, but he was quick to say, “No!” or “The
            end!” to any new activity or suggestion. I considered various possibilities, including
            nervousness about the change of music therapist, Cl. expressing that the new activity
            did not fit his cognitive or psychological situation and needs, or the process of Cl.
            developing autonomy, but I was not sure at the time of the reason for these behaviors. I
            merely understood his behaviors at surface level; I felt rejected by him and felt it
            difficult to expand our activities. In addition, when we sang his repertoire together, I
            often found it difficult to grasp how his paralyzed body felt and expressed the music,
            and felt that I could not get into the flow of the music. It felt as if I was simply
            trying to sing along with him, and it was difficult to feel that I was making music with
            him. In short, I had a challenge to "be together with the client in music."</p>
         <p>Through trial and error, I became aware of the gap between Cl. and myself in our
            intentions and perceptions of "music" (Table 1). On the one hand, Cl. seems to be
            familiar with sounds/music of short durations with clear beginnings and endings. On the
            other hand, I wanted to develop his repertoire and expand Cl.'s preferred sound phrases
            and pop song motifs. The intention was to facilitate the musical development I wanted to
            see as a music therapist, but behind that was my personal anxiety that I would not know
            what to do if the music ended too soon, or that I would not be competent or skilled
            enough as a therapist to just repeat Cl’s. favorite songs/music. Thus, by focusing on
            the gaps in our “music,” I realized my desires as a therapist and the true feelings
            hidden behind them. In other words, I became aware of the biases in my senses and
            thoughts.</p>
         <p/>
         <table-wrap id="tbl1">
            <label>Table 1 </label>
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            <caption>
               <p>The “Music” Gap between Client and Me </p>
            </caption>
            <table>
               <thead>
                  <tr>
                     <th>The music that seems to be familiar to Cl.</th>
                     <th>The music I want<break/>(The true feelings behind it)</th>
                  </tr>
               </thead>
               <tbody>
                  <tr>
                     <td>Short durations with clear beginnings and endings.</td>
                     <td>
                        I want to stretch and develop this.
                        <list>
                        <list-item><p>(If the music ends too soon, I do not know what to do.)</p></list-item>
                        </list>
                     </td>
                  </tr>
                  <tr>
                     <td>Dominant-tonic structure
                     <list>
                        <list-item>
                           <p>Feeling of physical tension and relaxation.</p>
                        </list-item>
                        <list-item>
                           <p>Getting a thrill.</p>
                        </list-item>
                     </list>
                     </td>
                     <td>I want him to feel more than just tension and relaxation. 
                     <list>
                        <list-item>
                           <p>(I do not really like music with a strong dominant-tonic structure.)</p>
                        </list-item>
                        <list-item>
                           <p>(I am not used to sensing the physical sensation that Cl. Feels.)</p>
                        </list-item>
                     </list>
                     </td>
                  </tr>
                  <tr>
                     <td>Music with lyrics and melodies　　　
                     <list>
                        <list-item>
                           <p>Includes words and greeting expressions that Cl. can understand.</p>
                        </list-item>
                        <list-item>
                           <p>Includes onomatopoeia, calls, and other interesting characteristics of sound.</p>
                        </list-item>
                     </list>
                     </td>
                     <td>I want to treat music as sound, without being bound by lyrics.
                     <list>
                        <list-item>
                           <p>(Rather than songs with lyrics, I prefer instrumental music, which I have been playing for a long time.)</p>
                        </list-item>
                     </list>
                     </td>
                  </tr>
                  <tr>
                     <td>Cl. wants to repeat what he knows.
                     <list>
                        <list-item>
                           <p>Says "No" to things that are brought in from outside of Cl.’s intentions.</p>
                        </list-item>
                     </list>
                     </td>
                     <td>I want Cl. to try new things.
                     <list>
                        <list-item>
                           <p>(I do not want to simply repeat the same things. I want to develop it in some way.) </p>
                        </list-item>
                     </list>
                     </td>
                  </tr>
               </tbody>
            </table>
         </table-wrap>
         <p>As I examined the clinical process in detail, I began to realize that my concern, “How
            can I make music with him?” was connected to a more universal question: "What does it
            mean for a client and a therapist, each with different backgrounds and values, to make
            music together?” I wanted to share this question with others and explore it further.
            More precisely, I felt a sense of urgency, as if I could not continue working without
            addressing this question. Usually, there are many ways to share questions and problems
            generated from a case, such as case study meetings (where problems and solutions to a
            particular case are discussed), and peer supervision (where music therapists support
            each other in order to grow as professionals in their practice). However, I had a vague
            feeling that I needed to explore my question in a different way than simply seeking ways
            to improve the session or to find a direction to take as a professional. In retrospect,
            I intuitively felt that the distance and discomfort sensed with Cl. should not be ignored
            between Cl. and myself. This is because the relationship between client and therapist is
            not simply confined to a dyadic interaction, but is linked to various relationships and
            values held within the larger social structure. I wanted to open up my question to
            people with different positions and perspectives who were not directly involved in the
            case. Thus, I organized a small dialogue event.</p>
      </sec>
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      <sec>
         <title>2. Method of Dialogue: Philosophy Cafe</title>
         <p>For the dialogue event, I adopted the Philosophy Cafe method. Philosophy Cafe is a place
            where people gather to talk, listen, and think on a single theme. The aim is to explore
            the theme together with one person facilitating the dialogue (<xref ref-type="bibr"
               rid="WCP2014">Washida et al., 2014</xref>). It was initiated in 1992 by French
            philosopher Marc Sautet at the Café des Phares (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="S1995"
               >Sautet, 1995</xref>), and its activities have since spread around the world. In
            Japan, it has been held in numerous places on various themes (see, for example, <xref ref-type="bibr" rid="WCP2014"
               >Washida et al., 2014, p. 323-339</xref>).</p>
         <p>Characteristic of the dialogue in a Philosophy Cafe is that it aims for the discovery of
            questions and the renewal of questions, not at consensus building nor problem solving
               (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="WCP2014">Washida et al., 2014, p. iii</xref>). The questions formed here are not for
            the purpose of trying to find out what we do not know, but to re-question what we think
            we know by carefully exploring our preconceptions (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="WCP2014"
               >Washida et al., 2014, p. 44</xref>). What is important is the process of inquiry
            itself, such as deepening our understanding of matters and each other, asking questions,
            exploring backgrounds and assumptions, and to do so collaboratively (<xref
               ref-type="bibr" rid="K2015">Kajitani 2015, p. 102</xref>).</p>
         <p>There is no standard or formulaic way to conduct a Philosophy Cafe. Basically, it is a
            one-time gathering of the people there. Participants do not need to introduce themselves
            and can come and go as they please. However, there are some basic rules participants are
            encouraged to follow in order to deepen their dialogue with others. According to
            Kajitani (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="K2015">2015</xref>), these rules are made to
            guarantee an atmosphere of <italic>intellectual safety</italic> and ensure respect for freedom of
            thought and speech (p. 102-106). </p>
         <list list-type="order">
            <list-item>
               <p>Participants can say whatever they want (even trivial
                  things, things that are separate to the flow of conversation, etc.). </p>
            </list-item>
            <list-item>
               <p>Participants should try not to talk about another
                  participants' narrative in a way that negates them. Rather, explore the premise of
                  how the narrative came to be. </p>
            </list-item>
            <list-item>
               <p>It is acceptable to just listen and think, without
                  saying anything. </p>
            </list-item>
            <list-item>
               <p>It is important to pose questions to each other.</p>
            </list-item>
            <list-item>
               <p>Participants should speak based on their own experience,
                  not on what someone else has said or what is written in a book. </p>
            </list-item>
            <list-item>
               <p>It is acceptable if participants cannot come to a
                  conclusion or neatly collect the points discussed.</p>
            </list-item>
            <list-item>
               <p>It is acceptable if participants begin to feel unclear
                  or waver over something they were once sure of. </p>
            </list-item>
         </list>
         <p>In a Philosophy Cafe, participants are expected to listen carefully to what others say
            on the theme, and to express the thoughts and feelings they have at that time, based on
            their own experiences. The narratives of the participants do not necessarily have to be
            coherent, nor do they have to be based on the narratives of the previous participants.
            It is acceptable to be interrupted, and it is acceptable to change one's mind or become
            unsure during the dialogue. In the Philosophy Cafe, such experiences that “shake up”
            what we take for granted are valued. In other words, it is important for each
            participant to become aware of their own accepted views, and to incorporate the
            viewpoints of others to see things from a new perspective. The facilitator acts as a
            kind of "traffic controller" who facilitates the dialogue by supporting the participants
            when they are speaking, asking the other participants if they are clear on what has been
            said, and creating links between the speaker’s views. Sometimes the facilitator gets
            lost along with the participants as the dialogue progresses.</p>
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         <title>3. Dialogue in Practice</title>
         <p>The Philosophy Cafe event took place after several years of working with CI. There were
            about ten participants who had responded to a call for applications. They included music
            therapists, musicians, and people interested in dialogue. We sat in a circle on the
            floor of a room and talked; the whole event lasted about two hours. In the first half of
            the event, I talked about my own case and the process that led me to ask the question.
            In the second half, all the participants engaged in a dialogue hosted by the
            facilitator. I also joined the dialogue as a participant. The facilitator was not a
            music therapist, but a practitioner of Philosophy Cafe. Since this dialogue event was
            not originally planned as part of the case study research, permission to share the case
            was obtained from Cl.'s family. As the purpose of the event was not to examine the case
            itself, I minimized the information given about Cl. and concentrated on sharing my own
            experiences of the processes I had questioned.</p>
         <p>The following section details the dialogue that took place at the event. The account is
            a reconstruction made from audio recordings of the participants' remarks. In addition,
            the account also makes reference to the comments of the facilitator who organized the
            participants' remarks. The account is based on the remarks of the participants and
            facilitator in the dialogue, without any later interpretation or summary by myself.
            However, my words as one of the participants are included in the account.</p>
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         <sec>
            <title>The Flow of Dialogue</title>
            <p>In the second half of the event, the participants began by listing keywords that came
               to their minds in relation to the case story explained in the first half.
               Participants then created a multitude of questions using those keywords. From those
               questions, the participants chose one as a theme for further discussion: “Is there a
               difference between<italic> Tomo-ni-Kanjiru </italic>(feeling with, to feel together)
               and <italic>Yorisou </italic>(being with, to be close together)?”</p>
            <p>At first, the facilitator asked, “What experiences do you recall in response to the
               words <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru </italic>(feeling with) and <italic>Yorisou
               </italic>(being with)?” Several participants shared what came to mind. </p>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>I think <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru</italic> (feeling with) is when a client and therapist are playing
                  music together and they both spontaneously change their performances at the same
                  time because they feel moved by each other. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>But you may not necessarily feel the same emotions at that point, and you may not
                  need to. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>For example, if we eat something together and one says, "It tastes good," while
                  another says, "It tastes bad,” it is not about who is right or how we should feel.
                  I think what is important, is to share the act of eating. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <p>Through this discussion, it was suggested that it might be that
                  <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru </italic>(feeling with) requires a shared context or the
               act of experiencing something together, which is slightly different in nuance to
               empathy or understanding the other person.</p>
            <p>Next, they shared their thoughts on the word <italic>Yorisou </italic>(being with). </p>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>When I think about a newborn child and a mother, I wouldn’t use the word <italic>Yorisou</italic>
                  (being with) when they are completely united. I think it is because there are gaps
                  between us that we feel the need to be close to each other. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>However, the person you are trying to <italic>Yorisou</italic> (be with) will not say <italic>Yorisowareru</italic>
                     <sup><xref ref-type="fn" rid="ftn2">2</xref></sup>
                   (being drawn close to), they may even find it annoying. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <p>From these conversations, it was suggested that it might be that <italic>Yorisou
               </italic>(being with) includes hierarchical relationships, where support and care is
               given to another person based on the premise of differences in position.</p>
            <p>We then returned to the theme question, “Is there a difference between<italic>
                  Tomo-ni-Kanjiru </italic>(feeling with) and <italic>Yorisou </italic>(being
               with)?” We also contemplated the questions, “If there is a difference, how do they
               differ?” and, “If there is no difference, what doesn’t differ?”</p>
            <disp-quote>
               <p><italic>Yorisou</italic> (being with) has an intention (to be close to that person) and a purpose
                  (to be close to that person because they have a problem), while <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru</italic>
                  (feeling with) is more spontaneous. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>A <italic>Yorisou</italic> (being with) relationship is hierarchical, while a <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru</italic>
                  (feeling with) relationship is parallel. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>In <italic>Yorisou</italic> (being with), the center of gravity is placed on the person who
                  <italic>Yorisowareru</italic> (is being drawn close to), whereas I feel that <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru</italic>
                  (feeling with) requires effort on both sides.</p>
            </disp-quote>
            <p>Then, the following comment was made, which seemed to slightly change the meaning of
               the word<italic> Yorisou </italic>(being with) from what had been
               mentioned so far. A participant said, </p>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>How about when a couple is looking at the natural scenery together, and although
                  they don't say it out loud, they both feel “Ah, it’s beautiful”? Isn't this also a
                  kind of <italic>Yorisou</italic> (being with)? </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <p>With this remark, the atmosphere in the room changed, and the following comments were
               made. </p>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>It seems to me that this example of <italic>Yorisou</italic> (being with) has no hierarchical
                  relationship. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>If that's the case, then maybe it's not always necessary to have a hierarchical
                  relationship in order to <italic>Yorisou</italic> (be with).</p>
            </disp-quote>
            <p>In addition, the following thought pattern emerged: </p>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>We music therapists may be overly familiar with the idea of <italic>Yorisou</italic> (being with)
                  our clients, as if it were an occupational hazard. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>(The two words are not opposites.) I think it is because we try to <italic>Yorisou</italic> (be
                  with) that we are able to <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru</italic> (feel with). </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>I think that <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru</italic> (feeling with) and <italic>Yorisou</italic> (being with) are two
                  different ways of describing different aspects (e,g., senses and actions) within
                  the same situation.</p>
            </disp-quote>
            <p>In a questionnaire to the participants after the event, the following comments were
               made: </p>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>It was moving to experience changes in the weight and color of words (during the
                  dialogue process). </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>I realized that I have my own biased thoughts and images associated with a word;
                  it is precisely because I am biased that I may be able to make deep and
                  significant discoveries and realizations by talking with others. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <disp-quote>
               <p>It was interesting to see how people's values and views differ depending on their
                  experiences and roles. </p>
            </disp-quote>
            <p/>
         </sec>
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      <sec>
         <title>4. What we Have Learned From our Attempt at Dialogue</title>
         <p/>
         <p>So far, I have described the attempt to share questions arising from music therapy
            sessions in a dialogue with participants who were not directly involved in the case. In
            this section, I will discuss what we were doing through the dialogue and what
            significance it has.</p>
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         <sec>
            <title>Various Differences Within the Case and its Context</title>
            <p>First, I would like to consider what the dialogue here was about. The main issue
               which came to light through this attempt was the diversity of people and the
               differences that divide them<sup><xref ref-type="fn" rid="ftn3">3</xref></sup>.</p>
            <p>In today’s society, there are diverse people and diverse ways of living. There are
               various differences in society depending on factors such as race, ability, work,
               housing, gender, sexuality, and so on. Differences act to segment and group people by
               various human characteristics. For example, disease/health, disability/ability,
               abnormal/normal, minority/majority, female/male, victim/offender, etc. One will see a
               completely different landscape depending on where you draw the line and where you
               stand. Differences may sometimes cause isolation, fragmentation and difficulties in
               our life. In order to change the relationships between people on both sides who are
               separated by these differences, it is of course important to hear the voices of the
               disadvantaged side and to guarantee their rights to participate in society. However,
               at the same time, it is also necessary to take the viewpoints of people from diverse
               standpoints into account and to consider the differences together. </p>
            <p>Thinking about the case from the perspective of differences, there are many
               differences that separate Cl. and myself, such as different roles in therapy and care
               (client/therapist, receiver/giver), different experiences with music, as well as
               differences in age and gender. Of course, there will be many more complex differences
               that will not surface in the music therapy session. In light of this, asking “What
               does it mean for a client and therapist, each with different backgrounds and values,
               to play music together?” seems to raise awareness of the various differences that
               surround music therapy sessions and their contexts. Therefore, engaging in dialogue
               on this question with people who are not directly involved in the case can be said to
               be a way for diverse people, with different roles and experiences, to bring their
               perspectives and to think together about the differences that exist.</p>
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            <title>Dialogue on Differences</title>
            <p>So, how were the differences dealt with in the actual dialogue? I will discuss this
               point in relation to the way the dialogue was conducted, which seemed to be a key
               characteristic of this event.</p>
            <p>One of the characteristics of the dialogue held was that the participants did not
               directly talk about the question that generated from the case, but rather they
               formulated new questions based on the keywords that arose from the case, and
               conducted dialogue on those themes. If the participants were to talk directly about
               the question that generated from the case, the differences and power imbalance
               involved in the case would be brought directly into the dialogue. Those involved in
               music therapy may speak about how this case should be developed from the perspective
               of their professional expertise, while those not involved in music therapy may simply
               listen to the discussion on topics previously unknown to them. Or some participants
               who consider themselves able-bodied may discuss how to respect the intentions and
               rights of people with disabilities. Here, however, the theme of the dialogue was
               derived from the case, but was replaced by a more universal question posed by the
               participants: “Is there a difference between<italic> Tomo-ni-Kanjiru
               </italic>(feeling with) and <italic>Yorisou </italic>(being with)?” By doing so, the
               participants were asked not to think about the case from a spectator's standpoint,
               but to think about "What does it mean to be with others for you?” In other words,
               this setting may have provided an opportunity for participants to put aside the
               titles and attributes of their profession, and to participate in the dialogue whilst
               thinking about the differences between people in light of their own experiences.</p>
            <p>Another characteristic of the dialogue was the style of the Philosophy Cafe, in which
               people carefully communicated their differences. The philosopher Kiyokazu Washida
                  (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="W2013">2013</xref>), who pioneered the practice of
               Philosophy Cafe in Japan, says that the essence of communication in dialogue is “to
               feel the differences between one another more deeply and in more detail”. Reflecting
               on this in the context of the dialogue event, the participants talked about
                  <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru </italic>(feeling with) and <italic>Yorisou
               </italic>(being with) in their own way, from different experiences and perspectives.
               Each narrative was fragmented as each comment did not necessarily connect to or
               follow on from the previous one. However, as the participants exchanged their
               perspectives and experiences, they began to realize that there could be such a way of
               looking at things, and the images associated with specific words gradually changed.
               It seemed that a shared image of the words was created as participants got a taste of
               each other's differing views and discovered new viewpoints together. However, holding
               this dialogue does not mean that the differences between people disappeared. Rather,
               the very process of looking at <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru </italic>(feeling with) and
                  <italic>Yorisou </italic>(being with) from different viewpoints enabled a
               redrawing of the lines that separate people over and over again, which may have led
               to the creation of new relationships between participants. Participants in the
               dialogue can take their experiences home and continue to think about them in their
               daily lives, which may have a ripple effect on those they come into contact with.</p>
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            <title>Significance of Dialogue for Me</title>
            <p>In retrospect, the dialogue event was one of the turning points that lead me to
               deepen the concerns and issues I had in my case into the “question.” At the time, I
               was not sure why I needed to have such a dialogue, or how the experience of the
               dialogue related to my clinical practice, so I would like to reflect on it here. </p>
            <p>As mentioned above, the problems I faced "being with Cl. in music" were so urgent,
               that if I did not tackle this question, I would not be able to continue as a music
               therapist. There was my belief as a music therapist that it was important to be with
               Cl. in music, but also a sense of inferiority and guilt about the difficulties I felt
               in doing so. As shown in <italic>Table 1: The “music” gap between Cl. and I</italic>
               , it was my dichotomous way of looking at the differences between Cl. and myself
               which led to me feeling pushed into a corner.</p>
            <p>In the dialogue, however, I was able to put aside the case, to listen to the careful
               examination of the words <italic>Tomo-ni-Kanjiru </italic>(feeling with) and
                  <italic>Yorisou </italic>(being with), and to think together with the
               participants. Through the dialogue process, I felt that I was gradually unraveling my
               own obsession with "being with," as previously hidden ways of looking at things were
               brought to light, and connections between one aspect and another were discovered. It
               was an experience that freed my perspective from "this or that" and I felt immersed
               in the realization that "it could be like this." This led me to transform my
               pseudo-question, "How should we be together in music?” to the real question, "What
               does it mean to be together in music?” In other words, I can now explore the
               question, "What does it mean to be together in music?” in a more straightforward
               away.</p>
            <p>The significance of this dialogue for me was that I was allowed by others to ask my
               question (and I allowed myself to ask the question in this way) and I was given the
               opportunity to develop the question further. I think this was possible because I was
               able to think together with others in a place where we felt safe to talk about our ideas<sup><xref ref-type="fn" rid="ftn4">4</xref></sup>. Since then, the musical-therapeutic collaboration between the client,
               co-therapist, and me has developed in a unique way. Of course, this happened
               throughout the course of a long clinical process, and may not be causally related to
               the Philosophy Cafe. My trial and error about being together with the clients is
               still going on. But now I realize that the basis of being together is not, as I used
               to do, to deny oneself for the sake of the other, but to neither deny the other nor
               oneself.</p>
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         <title>5. Concluding Remarks</title>
         <p>Finally, I would like to mention how the findings from this attempt at dialogue can
            contribute to the development of the music therapy profession. This paper may provide a
            particularly useful perspective for the field of Community Music Therapy, which focuses
            on the relationship between the individual and society, and attempts to bring about
            change in the community as a whole. It could form part of a methodology for a Community
            Music Therapy process that attempts to involve everyone democratically to decide what to
            do, how to do it, how it will go, and what to do next (<xref ref-type="bibr"
               rid="AS2016">Ansdell &amp; Stige, 2016, p. 604</xref>). In addition, this may also
            resonate with approaches such as feminist perspectives in music therapy,
            resource-oriented music therapy, or the recovery model in music therapy. Such dialogue
            also enables careful examination of the words and concepts used in the field of music
            therapy. This could lead to a review/rethink of the use of these words and concepts
            which had been developed from a modern, Western-centric perspective. </p>
         <p>This was just one attempt to share the question that generated from the case. In order
            to shift the lines that separate people and change their relationships, it seems
            necessary to continue the dialogue at all levels and contexts of clinical practice and
            research.</p>
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         <title>About the Author</title>
         <p>Hiroko Miyake, Ph.D, RMT(Japan), is an associate professor at Kunitachi College of
            Music. She works with people with disabilities in her clinical practice and also
            conducts community music projects with diverse people. Miyake’s research interest
            concerns how different people can create a collaborative space through music. She
            co-presides Shibanoie Otoasobi Lab. (community music project), Otomusubi Music Club
            (community band for people with and without disabilities), Kokonowa Dialogue Circle for
            Studying Musical-Clinical Practices.</p>
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      <fn-group>
         <fn id="ftn1">
            <p> For some of the initial processes in this case, see Miyake (<xref
                  ref-type="bibr" rid="M2014">2014</xref>).</p>
         </fn>
         <fn id="ftn2">
            <p><italic>Yorisowareru</italic> is the passive form of
                  <italic>Yorisou</italic>, but we do not actually use the word in this way. As it
               is an unnatural usage of the word, such a way of thinking may also be unnatural for a
               Japanese speaker.</p>
         </fn>
         <fn id="ftn3">
            <p> I was involved as a researcher in a social inclusion and expressive activities
               project. This provided many insights regarding perspective on diversity and
               boundaries (<xref ref-type="bibr" rid="MNI2016">See Miyake, Nagatsu, &amp; Ijiri,
                  2016</xref>).</p>
         </fn>
         <fn id="ftn4">
            <p>Currently, Rika Ikuno and I co-lead “Kokonowa Dialogue Circle for Studying
               Musical-Clinical Practices,” a peer dialogue group for music therapists to initiate
               and nurture research questions starting from their own clinical experiences. Here, we
               talk about each other's clinical practice more directly than I did in the Philosophy
               Cafe featured in this article, but we share the same basic stance of dialogue. The
               discussion with the peers in “Kokonowa” has been very helpful in writing the
               reflection section of this article. I would like to express my sincere gratitude to
               the members of “Kokonowa,” and in particular to Rika Ikuno, Yoko Fuse, Takako Ito,
               and Simon Gilbertson for their discussions at the independent symposium in Japanese
               Music Therapy Association (JMTA) in 2021. “Kokonowa Dialogue Circle for Studying
               Musical-Clinical Practices”: <uri>https://nlnmhd.wixsite.com/website/blank-28</uri>
            </p>
         </fn>
      </fn-group>
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